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Rectangular Prism
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:10:00 -
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Ill keep this TL:DR
I'm buying a new computer and I want to run upwards of 6+ accounts with decent video settings on a single 1920x1080 monitor.
Do I get a video card with 2gb or 4gb of VRAM?
The clients are never minimised. |
Rectangular Prism
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:08:00 -
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The problem with having the instances (that I am not focusing my control on) minimised is that the small second delay between minimisation/maximisation of a client can be disastrous and irritating for me as every second counts when I'm controlling multiple clients, usually more than 4-5, during a combat scenario (no not PVE).
I should also mention that the instances are windowed (cause alt-tabbing causes a delay and I can switch to a certain instance/account faster by clicking on it in the taskbar).
I'm on a Q6600 with a GTX295 card atm and I get stable, playable fps with all my accounts running but that's only because I have all settings toned down to low so if 4gb of vram over 2gb is the difference between good fps, low details & good fps, high detail then please let me know. |
Rectangular Prism
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.07 05:03:00 -
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Thanks for the replies so far.
Here are the core specs for the computer I intend to get:
-CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K Processor LGA1155
-RAM: G-Skill 16G(4X4G) DDR3 1600MHZ
-MOBO: Asus P8Z77-V PRO
-GPU: GTX 670 with either 2gb or 4gb ram
The idea is to run said 6 accounts without having them minimised and have graphics settings/detail at a decent level as I'm sick of playing with low only.
So with these specs and intentions in mind, is 4gb of vram necessary as opposed to just 2gb? |
Rectangular Prism
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.07 05:32:00 -
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5nake pliskan wrote:Rectangular Prism wrote:Thanks for the replies so far.
Here are the core specs for the computer I intend to get:
-CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K Processor LGA1155
-RAM: G-Skill 16G(4X4G) DDR3 1600MHZ
-MOBO: Asus P8Z77-V PRO
-GPU: GTX 670 with either 2gb or 4gb ram
The idea is to run said 6 accounts without having them minimised and have graphics settings/detail at a decent level as I'm sick of playing with low only.
So with these specs and intentions in mind, is 4gb of vram necessary as opposed to just 2gb? oh, you were doing so well too, but now you've ruined a pretty good troll 6 clients on an i5 with one video card with nothing minimized eh? guffaw!
Well if that is impossible on one monitor WITHOUT using low settings then tell me that it is impossible rather than assuming I'm a troll you noob.
The fact is, that if I can run 6 clients on absolute low settings, unminimised with a Q6600 cpu and a gtx 295 (both of which are a few years old now) then its not a high expection to think that, as of 2012, a current mid range computer would be able to run 6 clients unminimised with medium or even high settings.
Please tell me what idiocy compelled you to assume I was some kind of troll? if you don't want to help and just play the failed troll-spotter role on threads all day then do so elsewhere. |
Rectangular Prism
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.07 05:43:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I can have five accts open and running at max graphics settings and 1920x1200 resolution. But I'm rocking an i7 2600k on a Gigabyte P67A-UD7-B3 mobo with 16G Corsair XMS 3 ram @ 2000 mhz. For video I have an EVGA Classified GTX 590. Game drive is a Vertex 2 SSD. So if you want to be running 6 accts you will likely need something of that caliber. I don't think you'll be able to hit a decent framerate with what you are proposing. Mr Epeen 
Well the important question here is, are you running all settings on low? And if you're not, do you get stable fps?
If I recall correctly the 590 is dual gpu with 3gb vram in total. |
Rectangular Prism
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.07 05:53:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Well like I said. Max graphics settings. Framerate is 60 FPS with Vsync enabled. When I was testing it never dropped below that. Mr Epeen
My mistake, I glanced past that part. Thanks for the help, I think I might just go with the 4gb version of the 670 after all. |
Rectangular Prism
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.07 07:27:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Botting is bad.
You should definately get the better version, always. It pays off when you're not stingey.
Its a good thing I dont do botting then - pretty sure people who do run accounts minimised...
Unless someone can vouch for 2gb being sufficient based on the settings and specs I mentioned, I will be purchasing a EVGA GTX 670 4gb SC card tomorrow. |
Rectangular Prism
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.12 07:55:00 -
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General consensus seems to be that more ram and a better gpu are the critical factors here.
Due to stock shortage I wasnt able to get the 4gb gtx 670 I wanted so im just going to stick with the standard 2gb and just to reiterate, the idea is to get a new computer that runs 6 clients on anything other than all settings on low.
I'm sick of seeing crappy blurs for textures on ships, bland lighting & occasional momentary hiccups when theres a fair number of ships on my view.
I'm just after a system thats a step-up in stability, fps and detail from my aging Q6600 and gtx295, without breaking bank... I'm not asking for AAx16 + full HDR w/ post processing on high etc.
For the important parts, cpu, gpu and ram here is what I've decided on so far:
-Intel i5 2500k
-EVGA gtx 670 FTW
-16gb DDR3 1600mhz ram
Will this cut it?
And before anyone asks, yes ill be getting a new mobo with this and no im not going cheap on that part.
I'll stick to an i5 since I can't find any solid proof that EVE benefits much from cpus with hyperthreading to justify the cost increase to an i7, unless someone can show me that HT can make a significant fps difference. |
Rectangular Prism
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:29:00 -
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Verone wrote:> Intel Core i7 980x (3.33GHz) @ 5.25GHz
Can I ask what cooler you use? |
Rectangular Prism
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.13 06:34:00 -
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Wingmate wrote:a single client in eve does not benefit from HT. six clients will benefit because you can assign each instance to a discrete core, allowing two to stay assigned to the OS directly. if you VM - which, as i've pointed out several times, you should - you can even assign them during VM setup, since it's a built-in feature.
i would definitely go with a quad with HT from intel for the cpu.
i still don't think you need so much vram, but you've picked so i'll stop beating that horse.
as for a cooler, the hyper-212+ is still the best cooler under 50$ (for 30$ or so at newegg). you don't need anything more than that - since OCing would be super boneheaded for something that'll be at load so much, even a stock cooler would be fine. hyper just means that you'll have a lower internal temp.
remember that most coolers overshadow the location for the fourth RAM slot on modern boards (and you can't rotate them since often they're in the way of one of the graphics slots). pick RAM with low heatspreaders. G.SKILL ripjaw RAM, for example, will be too high and will probably bump the cooler if you use a non-stock with a big set of wings.
As I mentioned earlier, the 4gb versions of the 670 I was looking for was out of stock but regardless of that I've decided to stick with the plain 2gb version (2gb is standard for ALL gtx 670 cards).
If your contention is that even 2gb of VRAM is excessive then thats okay because I want the gfx power of a 670 - they are well priced and good value for money.
As for HT and instance allocation, I guess I could go with a 2600k.
Lastly, yes i'm aware of the space issues some coolers can have with the 4th ram slot on socket 1155 boards. G-skill's ripjaws sticks are the worse offenders given their tendency to have tall, protruding heat spreaders so I'll be getting one of their 'ARES' series of ram sticks, they are designed to have low heatspreaders. |
Rectangular Prism
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.14 03:56:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:I couldn't even imagine trying to play on over 6 clients smashed into such a small screen. Since actually manually controlling them would be about impossible due to ridiculously small sizes I can only conclude you plan to run bots in which case I would like to discourage you from doing so.
On the flip side I've seen people posting ridiculous machines to run this game. I use an e7200 OCed to 3.6ghz (Hyper 212+ cooler is awesome) 4 gb of ddr2 and a HD5770 with 1 gb of ram and yet I run three clients (the main one is set to high quality others to memory) on two screens with good frame rates. If my cheapo several year old system can do that then pretty much any system listed in this thread would handle more then what you want.
Oh and make sure you're running a 64 bit OS :P
I suggest you read all my responses before posting next time. Yup I do have win7 64 bit.
As I already mentioned before the screens are windowed and stretched close to the full resolution of the monitor (1920x1080) and I'm not running Isboxer in case anyone was wondering.
Sorry, but the accusations that I'm a botter just constitutes a failure of imagination on people's part, "Oh I cant think of anyone who could run 6 clients at once, therefore bot."
Someone wouldn't be asking for computer specs to run 6 accounts accounts NOT minimised and NOT with low graphics if they were botting.
As for the difficulty of multitasking 6 clients at once - it varies on the composition of ships and their respective setups.
I usually take 3 buffer tanked bs with 2 logi (non-spider setups preferred since it means less micromanagement) and the last account is a boosting alt.
Impossible setups would be something like controlling a fleet of nanoships or active tanks, anything that requires cycling different modules at various times on the same ship is a no.
Most of the combat I normally do involves burning to optimal at a target, mashing F keys and then repair whatever damage is being done with logi during the fight.
This brings me to another question: given the computer specs I described, is it possible to run fraps in conjunction with 6 accounts? Is fraps CPU/ram intensive? |
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